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Crum: Adam, I: what's with his various dates, documentaion to Wilson?

Crum: Adam, I: what's with his various dates, documentaion to Wilson?

Shuttacrum (View posts)
Posted: 11 Aug 2007 10:08PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Crum
Hi, all!

Please forgive my group email--I have been working on my KY, WVA, VA Crum family genealogy for many years (since a high school project) --well before the invention of the Internet!! And I've had, for a long time, our line of Crum's back through Adam III,. Adam II, and Adam I. As you can imagine this is no small feat. Especially as each child in each generation named one son Adam--at least for a while!
(So there were many Adam Crum cousins!)

So I have:

Shutta Crum, me
Melvin Crum, b. 1925 (living)
Benjamin Crum, (1886-1958)
John Wesley Crum, (b. 1862)
Adam Crum, III, (b. ABT 1843)
Adam Crum, II, (b. ABT 1806)
Adam Crum, I, (from pension app.ABT 1758.)

Beyond this "S. Six" (and by reference, Mr. Shockley) lists . . .

Wilson Crum, (b. ABT 1736)

Then "S. Six" continues with . . .
Anthony Crum (b. ABT 1719 in Germany)
Johann Anton Krumholz (b. ABT 1698)
Johann Krumholz (b. ABT 1674).

I was wondering if anyone could let me know what documentation/other information was used to go from Adam I to Wilson? And from Wilson to Anthony--Johann Anton--Johann?

Also, I found Jim Crum's posting on Rootsweb as to the Crum immigration very enlightening. My question is which Anton (Anthony) is the one cited above?

The Anthon that came over on the ship Edinburgh on Oct., 2nd 1753 was reportedly 40 years of age--making his birthday about 1713. IS this the one claimed by "S. Six" ( and Ferris B. Crum in his book)? Could be . . .
birthdates/ages recorded on ship manifests may not be exact. And this is close to 1719.

Or, as Jim makes a point, he thinks this is NOT the one that went to Winchester VA. As this Anton's will was probated in PA in 1765. (NOT VA.)

So . . . is our Anthony the other one? The one that came over on the ship Jeneffer, on Nov. 5, 1764? Seems late to me (and Adam, I, would have been born in Germany?) This Anthony had a son born in Philadelphia in 1767.

Or . . . is there another Anthon?

Or, would a will have been probated in a state other than the one where the person died? Could that first Anthon from the ship Edinburgh still be mine?

I know this is very confusing and difficult to sort out . . . I would appreciate any help you can give as to sources.

(And . . . what's with Adam,I's various birthdates? It's all over the place! Did he really live to be 95? In the 1850 census he claims to be 80 (and blind) making his birthday 1770. In various other census filings he claims to be the same age as Barbara(y) Horn(e), his wife. (born in abt. 1775). In his pension application for the Revol. War he claims to be 77 in 1834, making his birthday about 1758/59--which is what I have listed). What gives? Any ideas? I can see being a few years off . . . but as many as 12 or 13 years in the 1850 census?)

Thank you all for your time and patience!

Sincerely,

Shutta Crum
Ann Arbor, MI
www.shutta.com
http://blog.shuttacrum.com

Re: Crum: Adam, I: what's with his various dates, documentaion to Wilson?

Gladys Gardner (View posts)
Posted: 12 Aug 2007 2:10PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Crum, Jarrell
Hi...this is all that I have on the Crum side. I see you have Barbara Horn/Adam Crum, and that is part of my line. i wish I could help you more. I have 2 Wilson Crum's in my database. One is the son of Anthony (1713) and Gertraut and shows him the father of Adam Crum, born 1756. I show no date of birth for this first Wilson.

The second Wilson Crum that I have is son of Michael and Vashti Jarrell Crum and was born in 1842. I have nothing else on him, no spouse nor children. this is my direct line. Actually, these two lines are my lines, I just havne't linked them together as yet.

If any of this is helpful to you, that is good. another site for Crum information is the Jarrell website thru Rootsweb, if you havnet been there yet. The Crum family is highly active in that family as well.

gladys nelson gardner

From Ancestry.com message board dated 10/26/2005

Re: Frederick Crum
Author: Bonnie Varney Date: 24 Oct 2005 7:39 PM GMT
Classification: Query
In Reply to: Frederick Crum by: Wanda Albrecht


ADAM CRUM was born October 05, 1756 in Augusta Co., Va, and died October 10, 1851 in Wayne Co., Va. He married BARBARY HORN Abt. 1790. She was born Abt. 1775, and died Bet. 1850 - 1860 in Wayne Co., Va.

Notes for ADAM CRUM:
Annals of Floyd County, Kentucky 1800-1826 by Charles C. Wells:
p. 146 "Bond dated 16, Oct. 1816 by John Venters and Adam Crum for a marriage shortly to be had between John Venters and Nancy Crum."
p. 299 October 27, 1816: John Venters and Nancy Crum married
p. 232 "12, July, 1819: Indenture from John Graham to Adam Crum for the sum of $100 for a 150 acre tract on Prater Creek."
p. 249 " 12, April 1824: Indenture from Adam Crum to Alexander Clark for the sum of $250 for a 75 acre tract on Dry Branch of Prater Creek. ATTEST: Samuel Clark and William Crisp."

Floyd Co., Ky. 1810 Census:
1 male born before 1765, 1 born 1784-1794, 2 born 1794-1800, 4 born 1800-1810
1 female born 1765-1784, 1 born 1800-1810

Floyd Co., Ky. 1820 Census:
1 male born before 1775, 2 born 1804-1810, 1 born 1810-1820
1 female born before 1775, 1 born 1804-1810

Lawrence Co., Ky. Tax List 1822:
Adam Crum with 1 white male over 16 and owns 2 horses

Lawrence Co., Ky. 1830 Census:
1 male born 1761-1770, 1 born 1811-1815, 2 born 1826-1830
1 female born 1761-1770, 1 born 1801-1810, 1 born 1826-1830

Pension started on April 4, 1834. $50.00 annual allowance. $150.00 amount received.

Cabell Co., Va. 1840 Census:
This is probably Adam and Barbary with son Adam Crum and family
1 male born 1770-1780, 1 born 1820-1825, 2 born 1835-1840
1 female born 1770-1780, 1 born 1811-1815, 1 born 1835-1840

Wayne Co., Va. 1850 Census:
House #647: Adam Crum, age 80, blind, and wife Barbary, age 75, both were born Pa.

Child of ADAM CRUM and BARBARY HORN:
i FREDERICK CRUM (ADAM) was born Abt. 1795 in Floyd Co., Ky, and died Bef. 1880 in Wayne Co., WV. He married (1) SALLY CRISP February 05, 1818 in Floyd Co., Ky, daughter of ABEL CRISP and SUSANNAH JARRELL. She was born Abt. 1803 in Floyd Co., Ky. He married (2) NAOMI SALMONS , daughter of ROWLAND SALMONS and FRANCIS CARTER. She was born Abt. 1803 in Franklin Co., Va, and died Aft. 1880 in Wayne Co., WV.

Floyd Co., Ky. 1820 Census:
2 males born between 1794-1804
1 female born between 1794-1804, 2 born 1810-1820

Lawrence Co., Ky. 1830 Census:
1 male born 1800-1810, 1 born 1815-1820, 2 born 1820-1825, 2 born 1825-1830
1 female born 1800-1810, 1 born 1815-1820, 1 born 1820-1825

Cabell Co., Va. 1840 Census:
1 male born 1790-1800, 3 born 1820-1825, 2 born 1825-1830, 1 born 1835-1840
1 female born 1800-1810, 2 born 1835-1840

Lawrence Co., Ky. 1850 Census:
House #986
Frederick Crumb 52 male, farmer, born Va
Naomia 47 female, born Va
Lucinda 15 female, born Va
Frederick 11 male, born Va
William C. Salmons 23 male, born Ky

Wayne Co., Va. 1860 Census:
House #833

Children of FREDERICK CRUM are:
i. JOEL CRUM, b. January 01, 1818, Floyd Co., Ky; d. January 03, 1916, Wayne Co., WV; m. NANCY SHORT, January 15, 1843, Lawrence Co., Ky; b. Abt. 1828.

Notes for JOEL CRUM:
Wayne County News, Aug. 22, 1968:
A news item from Wells Branch in January 1916 told of the death of Grandad Joel Crum, who had died January 3, 1916 at the home of W. M. Marcum on Cotton Hill. He was 98 years of age, having been born Jan. 1, 1818 and had been a member of the Baptist Church for 74 years.

ii. DAVID CRUM, b. 1819; d. 1912, Wayne Co., WV; m. (1) MALINDA ADAIR, Abt. 1848; b. Abt. 1826; m. (2) JANE HOBBS, December 10, 1899, Martin Co., Ky; b. Abt. 1832.

More About DAVID CRUM:
Burial: Wooten Cemetery, Missouri Branch, Wayne Co., WV

iii. FLEM CRUM, b. Abt. 1820; m. RACHEL OSBORNE, Abt. 1850; b. Abt. 1820.

More About RACHEL OSBORNE:
Burial: Crum -Farley Cemetery, South End Bull Creek Mountain

iv. MARGARET E. CRUM, b. Abt. 1823; m. MILES SALMONS; b. 1823.
v. THOMAS CRUM, b. Abt. 1829, Ky; d. April 29, 1895, Wayne Co., WV; m. DIANA SELLARDS, Abt. 1848; b. Abt. 1831; d. Bef. 1920.
vi. LUCINDA CRUM, b. October 02, 1834; d. September 06, 1914; m. VAN BUREN MARCUM, Abt. 1854; b. Abt. 1830; d. Bef. 1880.
vii. FREDERICK CRUM, b. Abt. 1839.
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Re: Frederick Crum
Author: Wanda Crum Albrecht Date: 24 Oct 2005 5:47 AM GMT
Surnames: CRUM, MOSLEY,PERRY, MARCUM, CRISP,
Classification: Query
In Reply to: Re: Frederick Crum by: Bonnie Varney

Hi Bonnie,
I just need the last piece of documentation to join Daughters of the Americn Relvoution, DAR. That is proving Frederick Crum born 1798, is Adam Crum son. Can you help me? I have Nancy Crum is Fredericks Crum daughter married to William Marcum. Listing Frederick as a witness and I have Frederick Crums' marriage to Sally Crisp a certified copy of the Bond and Marriage from the Courthouse. I also have Adam Crum's Revoluntionary War Records, but nothing proving he is the father to my Frederick Crum. I could not find a will or anything connecting the two. Do you have any suggusting written Documentation on how I would connect the two Frederick as a son to Adam & Barbery Horne Crum? I need to know if Frederick devoriced Sally and married to Nomie Salmons or did he die in 1839? Do you know where Frederick Crum died and why only Sally and Ancel Crum
(oldest son) where listed on the marriage bond ad License to marriage?
Thanks for helping me, Wanda

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Found Adam Crum in 1810 census for Floyd Co., KY with 4 persons in household, under age of 10, 2 under 16, 1 under 20, and 1 under 45; 1 female under 10, 1 under 16, 1 under 40.
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Found Henry Crum (next door?) with 3 under 10, 1 under 16, 1 under 45, 4 females under 10, and a1 under age 40.
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The following taken from a website online:

Adam Crum b. 1756 d. 1851 m. Barbara Horne. Adam was in the Revolutionary War and in his Abstract states he was born in Augusta Co. VA and is of German parentage. There is some thought that he was actually born in PA. His wife Barbara Horne was born in PA
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Where was Adam over the years? Well according to census records in 1810 & 1820 state he was in Floyd Co. KY. The next census record found mentioning Adam was for 1850 Wayne Co. WVA listing Adam being 80 born in PA and being blind. Barbara was also with him at age 75. The abstract mentioned above was filed for in 1834 in Lawrence Co. KY.




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