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Hiram Sizemore

Andrea Sizemore (View posts)
Posted: 28 Feb 2006 5:29PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Sizemore
My husband is descended from George All through Harmon and Susan Sizemore. In our information we have Hiram Sizemore & Mary Ann Keen's daughter, Louisa, marrying a Thacker and dying in Ft. Cobb, OK. Is this your line? If so, will you please post this line on down to you?

Re: Hiram Sizemore

Myra Sizemore (View posts)
Posted: 28 Feb 2006 7:52PM GMT
Classification: Query
It is highly likely that we share this ancestry. Hiram was a long-time family name going back at least a couple of generations, that we can be certain, in terms of documentation through court records showing proximity of the Sizemores. We, as a large group of family researchers, also have shared oral tradition that these early Sizemore's, from at least 1700, were all within George All's family, his ancestors. I'll have to look at my list of George All and Agnes' that I have as their given and accurate children. They had quite a few, but so did my grandfather B.A. Sizemore and his father Elhannon Sizemore. They had at least as many as George All and his wife, Ages. Uncle Jefferson Farmer Sizemore's b: 1909, passion of his life from about my age, and I'm getting close to my 60's, was interviewing our very old people and getting down all the "facts" that he could about our very early family oral traditions. He said that Agnes was identified just as Indian by our family, with no mention of any other heritage. I've noticed there was a group of Indians called Sherpers (I probably did not spelling that correctly). Just a thought, but my take on possibly who her early people might have been. I've read that George All lived in both the white man's and the indian's world. One very old timer was quoted as saying he and his family traveled back and forth and back and worth. Where and how far would be a question we will never absolutely see answered, but possibly with DNA will we someday know more, That is if DNA researchers allow for the possibility that we are part of more far reaching families.

I've encountered what feels like extreme negativity, and what feels to me like a bias against our people of the SE KY region. I've encountered that all my life and even a preceived hint, real or imagined on my part, is not a fun thing for this child of strong minded and blooded SE KY ancestors, a child from those strong minded and strong blooded pioneers.

There was a French sociologists, then just seen as an observer, a writer, who very early came through these mountains. I think he was here during the Jacksonian era or even earlier - have to look that up in a history text from college days. He said, loosely quoted, that upon entering one of our little cabins here in this region, often authors like Homer could be found among other volumes of classical literature. He said he found an abundance of reading material, including newspapers of recent times. He said many of our ancestors could converse extremely intelligently on many subjects. One other early observer, quoted in a history of Pineville by a previous superintendent of schools there from around the turn of the century, 1900, said that we were not just among the best of human beings that could be found, but that we were examples of the greatest of men - and women, I might add.

Who were those early settlers, our families? Needless to say they came from "excellent stock", as my father's wife once said. They married quite late in life. They had been childhood sweethearts in the Red Bird region of Bell county, Pineville area, of Kentucky. Her family was early in also, but were Mether's. I haven't had a chance to check yet, but I feel they had a different migration pattern into our region, and probably no integration into the more indigenous families. They moved on to Oregon before WWII. Dad looked her up and married her there in about 1980.

Many came down from the Ohio Valley, through Fayette county, and on into our region. I believe my Combs family and Murphy family may have married into families immigrating from that direction. My elderly step mother was very refined and well educated, as was my Indian-looking father, Ray Sizemore b: 1921, one of the youngest of his siblings. His father was B.A. Sizemore and his mother was Sarah Knuckles Sizemore, also so refined, in her pioneer-stye existence and religious simplicity.

Grandmother Knuckles Sizemore's family ancestor's are at least as exciting as "our" Sizemore family. Many of her Asher, Bingham, Depriest, Slusher family also married Sizemores. I have several Asher/Sizemore ancestors, all coming from Dillion Asher b: abt 1800. He had a number of wives and women. I am descended from several of them.

I'm having such a wonderful time methodically putting this all together. I too have a research background. but this is, without a doubt, the best time of my life.

Yes, I am sensitive to any bias against allowing us to claim our heritage, and there are those who stubbornly are resisting us, always saying we have no proof. Apparently neither do they, without more DNA testing. Their minds are shut. I've received several empathic NO!'s, we do not qualify. Literally put that way. I have a Sizemore brother. I realize my DNA would not be needed.

We are clearly from these early families of distinction, and possibly other more widely flung Sizemore's. We were inter-marrying all the way back to Jamestown. We migrated together into this region.

I've discovered in our family ancestry over and over marrying - and divorcing - within the families that some try to deny us, as well as a clear migration pattern, seen through locations of births, deaths and marriages. It's simply getting on my nerves, as from those who have long-time been considered intelligent and strong.

Please let me hear from you to: msings@bellsouth.net

Myra Sizemore

Re: Hiram Sizemore

RebeccaWilson100 (View posts)
Posted: 28 Feb 2006 9:53PM GMT
Classification: Query
Andrea,
I'm a direct descendent of this couple. As soon as I have definate dates and permission to post (some are still alive) I will be glad to do so.
Rebecca

Re: Hiram Sizemore

Andrea Sizemore (View posts)
Posted: 28 Feb 2006 10:00PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Sizemore
Is this your Sizemore line?
Willis Sizemore & Nancy Murphy
Elhanan Sizemore & Nancy Mattingly
Beverly A. Sizemore & Sarah Knuckles
Ray Sizemore & Frances Ledington

We would like very much to test a male descendant of Willis Sizemore to see if he matches the other Sizemore men of the Clay Co., KY, area. They all show a Native American ancestor in their background, who would have lived very early in colonial America. See this website for more on that subject: http://www.genpage.com/history_surname.html Unfortunately, the early Native Americans were not documented, and no paper trail exists to tell us exactly who they were. The Dawes Commission tried to document Native Americans about 1900, before Oklahoma became a state. This website explains more about those records.
http://www.archives.gov/genealogy/heritage/native-american/a...

Your Uncle Jefferson Farmer Sizemore’s interviews sound fascinating. Do you have them written down? It would be great if you could share them with the rest of us. We agree that the people of southeast Kentucky were strong and intelligent. They had to be to survive hardships and raise their families, without whom we would not be here.

Re: Hiram Sizemore

Myra Sizemore (View posts)
Posted: 1 Mar 2006 2:36AM GMT
Classification: Query
Yes, this is my family. My brother, Dennis Sizemore and I were born in Bell Co., KY. Dennis is older than I am. I was born in 1950. I well remember many of the old days ways, which are memories I cherish. Visiting my grandparents in the 50 and early 60's was like stepping back into time at least 100 years.

My sister-in-law is soon sending our family ancestors chart that Uncle Farmer worked on over his later years. Unfortunately, it is not done in a narrative form, although his daughter is only about a year younger than I am. I hope to record what she remembers that her father was most interested in telling. My own father shared a great deal with me, but probably nothing truly significant, only interesting and reinforcing our family oral traditions.

I look forward to hearing from you.

Myra Sizemore

Re: Hiram Sizemore

Myra Sizemore (View posts)
Posted: 1 Mar 2006 5:18AM GMT
Classification: Query
We may have accepted an English surname, but I have great difficulty with this vaguely posited theory that there was a Sizemore Englishman who was a progenitor with our earliest indigenous family. It is not our family tradition and it is not based on enough documented evidence. I would like to challenge that as only a theory, and a very poorly supported one, in empirical terms. It is no more verifiable than our family oral tradition. I would even go so far as to say, we have a stronger argument, in terms of strength in numbers, that our name is native to our people in nature and was adulturated, Anglicized to a name common to the ears of the early European whites. They were coming as close as they could as a means to identify us. This was seen much later in our nation's history as immigrants experienced the same thing coming through Elllis Island.

Myra Sizemore

Re: Hiram Sizemore

Jeanette Spears (View posts)
Posted: 15 Mar 2006 2:48PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: SIZEMORE, HATFIELD, BALDWIN, HART, NICHOLAS, MCCLURE, SPEARS, CREMEANS, GRASS
Andrea and Myra,

I have read all of both of your posts on Hiram Sizemore and etc. I have a Elhanan Sizmore that is the son of Willis Combs Sizemore and Nancy ?. Who is Willis' parents? And I'm sure that this is the same line; Myra: how are you related to Ray Sizemore and Frances Ledington.

Andrea: where do you fit into all of this? I hope to hear from the both of you. I'd love to share info.

Jeanette

Re: Hiram Sizemore

Andrea Sizemore (View posts)
Posted: 15 Mar 2006 9:55PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Sizemore, Sisemore
This is my husband, Walter’s, descent from George All Sizemore & Agnes (Shepherd).
John Rockhouse Sizemore & Nancy (Bowling)
Susan (Sizemore) & Harmon Sizemore
Nancy (Sizemore) & Joshua Whitehead
Sarah (Whitehead) & James Sisemore
Walter Sisemore & Alice L. (Ritchie)
Ezra Sizemore & Billy B. (Hensley)
Walter L. Sizemore

Walter was one of the people who began the Sizemore DNA Project, and is still very active in finding descendants of certain Sizemores that need to be tested to prove or disprove lineage.

Andrea

Re: Hiram Sizemore

Myra Sizemore (View posts)
Posted: 15 Mar 2006 11:27PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi. Ray Sizemore and Frances Ledington are my parents. My father is passed away, but I take care of my mother here in east Whitley Co., KY, not far from the Bell County line.

As for Willis Sizemre. We have a real mystery there.

My Uncle Jefferson Farmer Sizemore, my Dad's older brother, spent his latter days putting together our family chart. He states that Elhannon Murphy was the father of Nancy Murphy, Willis Sizemore's wife.

There seems to have possibly been a son of William Murphy and Rachel Henderson Murphy named Elhannon who may have been old enough to have fathered Nancy Murphy. If he was a child of William and Rachel, his appearance into our region would have been most likely due to his father's ministry. I think the Henderson's were well represented in the entire region as religious leaders. There is a Henderson Settlement that was very important in Knox/Bell County for its Christian outreach into the wilderness area of the times.

It is possible that William Richardson Combs, son of Benjamin Combs and Sarah Richardson, was Willis Sizemore's father. But both of my great grandfather Elhannon Sizemore's parent's, Willis Combs Sizemore and Nancy Murphy Collett, were probably illegitimate. Nancy is both referred to, apparently, as Nancy Collett and Nancy Murphy. On birth records, she is called Nancy Collett, but on at least one death certificate of her children, she is referred to as Nancy Murphy. My theory is that her children honored her with her birth father's name after she had passed away. My uncle states in our family chart that Elhannon was Irish. If he is from the William Murphy's family with Rachel Henderson, that would seem to be true.

Many members of the Henderson, Murphy, and Clark families were well represented in Clay County, KY for many decades. These Clark, Henderson, and Murphy families married into our Asher, Sizemore, and Bolling families. It's all very facinating, and I look forward to hearing from you.

Myra

Re: Hiram Sizemore

msings_1 (View posts)
Posted: 18 Mar 2006 10:05PM GMT
Classification: Query
I believe Walter and I are in contact, if it is the same Walter Sizemore. He says he plans to come into Red Bird fairly soon and we hope to get a DNA sample from my brother. I live fairly near Red Bird.

Please email me directly at msings@bellsouth.net.

Myra
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