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ejlinenberger (View posts)
Posted: 17 Aug 2001 4:53AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 19 Dec 2001 10:15PM GMT
Surnames: Herklotz, Stoecklein
I omitted the verification you might need of my relationship to Helena HErklotz. My Grandmothers' father was Karl Herklotz born in Schoenchen Russia in 1855. He married Sophia Bieker in Kansas. Their daughter Mary M. married Peter Ruder. They had one daughter Elsie S. who married Gilbert Linenberger. Karls sister came with him to America.

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MichaelBarnes1950 (View posts)
Posted: 24 Aug 2001 7:44AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 18 Oct 2002 7:10AM GMT
It seems that we might be distant relations by marriage. Helena Herklotz married Christoph Stoecklein who was my great-great uncle. His sister, Catherine Stoecklein married John Gerhard Pfannenstiel who were my great grandparents. Also, Martina Herklotz married Arthur Gerard Pfannenstiel (my aunt & uncle), my mother's brother. Do you know where Martina fits in the Herklotz family tree? Michael

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MichaelBarnes1950 (View posts)
Posted: 24 Aug 2001 7:52AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 18 Oct 2002 7:10AM GMT
Surnames: Gassmann, Linenberger
Also, to throw a little curve into the mix, another set of great-great grandparents of mine were Joseph & Anna Catherine (Linenberger) Gassmann. So how's that for a small world. Michael

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ejlinenberger (View posts)
Posted: 24 Aug 2001 3:40PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 19 Dec 2001 10:15PM GMT
Surnames: Herklotz, Pfannansteil
Michael: I do know Martina Pfannansteil. She is a first cousin to my Mother. The Linenberger lineage I will look up. I can't remember who Catherine was realted to. She would be a distant cousin probably to my great Grandfather. I will look when I find time. Thanks for writing. Elsie Linenberger

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DoreenSexton (View posts)
Posted: 30 Aug 2002 12:47AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 22 Jul 2003 11:53PM GMT
Surnames: Stoecklein, Ruder, Linenberger, Herklotz, Bieker
You wrote: I omitted the verification you might need of my relationship to Helena HErklotz. My Grandmothers' father was Karl Herklotz born in Schoenchen Russia in 1855. He married Sophia Bieker in Kansas. Their daughter Mary M. married Peter Ruder. They had one daughter Elsie S. who married Gilbert Linenberger. Karls sister came with him to America.

Do you know if this Peter Ruder had a sister or dtr named Anna who married a Peter Stoecklein, in Munjor KS? This would be my husband's great-grandparents!

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Elsie Linenberger (View posts)
Posted: 30 Aug 2002 3:00AM GMT
Classification: Query
Dear Doreen. My Grandpa Ruder Peter J. Ruder had a sister named Rosa Ruder who indeed married a Stoecklein and moved to Ness City. I do not know the name of her husband. give me an email if this is right. Elsie Linenberger ejlinenberger@scatcat.fhsu.edu

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Michael Barnes (View posts)
Posted: 7 Aug 2003 6:55AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Stoecklein, Ruder, Linenberger, Dechant, Gassman, Pfannenstiel
Hi Elsie, Sorry I haven't gotten back to you before this, and I hope you haven't given up on me. I hope you were able to find something out about the Linenberger family. I'm still very much interested in any info you might have. I also wanted to let you know that Martina (Herklotz) Pfannenstiel is still alive and living in Las Vegas with or near her oldest daughter Marilyn Champlin. If you don't have the address send me an e-mail at mbarnesy2kws50@juno.com or mbarnes650@hotmail.com - I'll get in touch with her and let her know that you are trying to contact her. Please send me any info about the Linenberger family to one of those two e-mail addresses, too. I also wanted to let you know that my mother Rose (Pfannenstiel) Barnes had a heart attack on July 15th. She is home now, recouperating nicely, and getting her strength back. She turned 86 on June 17th and says she wants to reach 90. By the way, you mentioned that Karl Herklotz married Sophia Bieker. Did Sophia have a brother named John who married Anna Catherine Gassman? John & Anna Catherine (Gassman) Bieker, at least the ones I'm related to, were buried together in Gorham, KS. They were my great uncle & aunt. Anna Catherine Gassman was my grandmother's (Mary Rose (Gassman) Pfannenstiel) sister. Hope to hear from you soon. Michael

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Michael Barnes (View posts)
Posted: 7 Aug 2003 7:28AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi again, Elsie. Sorry to keep bothering you, but I found another question to ask. Who were your Grandpa Peter's parents? Were they possibly Vincenz & Amelia (Leiker) Ruder or Paul & Rose (Pfannenstiel) Ruder? Or, were they somebody else? There are a couple other possibilities in this family, such as, John or Anton. If this is the case, then we share another family link, and, if it is Paul or John, then we share TWO other family links. I'll fill you in later. Michael

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mommyloren (View posts)
Posted: 23 May 2004 7:17AM GMT
Classification: Query
Ok here we go.
Martina Herklotz who married Art Phonenstiel (sp) is my mom's sister (my aunt), their mothers name was Philomena Ruder married to Henry Herklotz. Philomena was sisters with Mary Ruder.

Hope that clears up something for someone.

Sounds like we are related by marriage.

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Michael Barnes (View posts)
Posted: 12 Jul 2004 3:31AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Mary, We may be related by more than marriage. What was Philomena & Mary Ruder's father's name? Was it Anton, Vincent(Vincenz), or Paul? And, if it was Paul, was their mother's name Rosa? I know their father's name was not John Ruder. Regardless of which Ruder was their father, their grandparents would have been Heinrich & Anna Dorothea (Wasinger) Ruder and their oldest Aunt was Amelia Catherine Anna (Ruder) Dechant (my g-g grandmother). If their father was Paul and Rosa their mother, then we are related there too. Rosa was Rosa (Pfannenstiel) Ruder and she was a sister to John Gerhardt Pfannenstiel (my great grandfather) who married Catherine Stoecklein and so we get back to Catherine Stoecklein's sister-in-law Helena (Herklotz) Stoecklein, Karl Herklotz' sister. Karl and Helena were 1st cousin's to Sylvester who Elsie Linenberger mentioned in an earlier message in this string. Sylvester's wife was Rosa (Dechant) Herklotz and if somebody knows any information about them, especially Rosa (Dechant) Herklotz, I sure would appreciate them passing it along.

Mary, I hope I haven't confused you too much. Take care.

Michael
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