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William James 1804

tarnablackelm (View posts)
Posted: 23 May 2011 1:59PM GMT
Classification: Query
Looking for parents of William. there are several james in the early 1830/40s in Shelby. several of them moved to Indiana.. then to Van Zandt co. texas.

I am hopeing someone has run across Shelby James in the very early 1800s late 1790s.. that can point me to a parent. I am thinking a John James is his father. but who is the mother?

this is a brick wall for me


Re: William James 1804

thomasker2 (View posts)
Posted: 26 May 2011 8:46PM GMT
Classification: Query
I’m not related to any member of this family.

1930 is the last available census at this time.

These statements explain WHY you will not find the parents of William James in the census records -

Facts you should know about the early census records -
All census records [1790 – 1840] prior to the 1850 census ONLY listed the head of household; whether male or female.
NO specific age was stated for any family member
NO place of birth was stated – city, state, or country
NO city, town, or village is stated – only the county; however some census takers listed the township
NO street address was stated
NO marital status was stated – single, married, widowed, or divorced
NO family relationship was stated – brother, sister, cousin, son, daughter, wife, inlaw, etc…
NO occupation was stated
NO parental birthplaces are stated
NO race was stated [but assume “white”]

1850, 1860 & 1870 census records do not show family relationships, marital status or parental birthplaces.

Step children are not enumerated as “step” children
Adopted children are not enumerated as “adopted”
Grand children are not enumerated as “grand children”
Orphaned children were not enumerated as "orphan"

1850 is the 1st census that shows all family members

1880 is the 1st census that shows parental birthplaces +++

1830 -
Name: William James
Home in 1830: North of The Road From Louisville To Frankfort, Shelby, Kentucky
Free White Persons - Males - Under 5: 1
Free White Persons - Males - 20 thru 29: 1
Free White Persons - Females - 20 thru 29: 1
Slaves - Females - Under 10: 1
Free White Persons - Under 20: 1
Free White Persons - 20 thru 49: 2
Total Free White Persons: 3
Total Slaves: 1
Total - All Persons (Free White, Slaves, Free Colored): 4

Is this the persons name - Shelby James ??????????
Shelby James 1st appears in the 1900 KY census.

IND marriage record -
Last Name: James
First Name: William
Spouse- Last Name: Lacewell
Spouse- First Name: Nancy
County: Montgomery
Date: 12-20-1831

Re: William James 1804

tarnablackelm (View posts)
Posted: 16 Jun 2011 10:57PM GMT
Classification: Query
Thanks I know most of that already. William James 1804 (at least in the later census that is the year given). He married Elezabeth Turnham ca 1828. We assume she died in Childbirth with the 2nd son and then he married Nancy Lasewell. lived with her had 2 kids Nancy divorced him. then moved to Texas and marriage a Mary Ann (unknown but we think it might be Scott). Best guess is He is either the son of John James who had a child the right age.. or maybe THomas James of Henry who had a son William ca 1801.

Problem with old records is reading them.. and I have found several cases were James are listed as Jones. So trying to tract down things are a pain.

Was hoping someone else might have other infomation and looking at the Shelby Co. James too.
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