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Walter Sweetman and Sophia Sandgathe

Walter Sweetman and Sophia Sandgathe

mulligag1 (View posts)
Posted: 21 Jun 2002 1:17PM GMT
Classification: Query
I would like to define the descendants of Walter Sweetman and Sophia Sandgathe. They were married and lived just outside of Currie, MN in Murray County. I have fairly little information at this time. They were married in 1888 and had 11 children.

1 Walter Sweetman
.. +Sophia Sandgathe b: 1871 in Borbeck, Germany m: 1888
..... 2 Walter Francis Sweetman b: 1888
..... 2 Elizabeth Mary Sweetman b: 1890
..... 2 Helen Margaret Sweetman b: 1891
..... 2 Frances Sophie Sweetman b: 1893
..... 2 Gertrude Sweetman b: 1894
..... 2 Catherine Eleanore Sweetman b: 1896
..... 2 Richard Sebastin Sweetman b: 1899
..... 2 Mary Alice Sweetman b: 1900
..... 2 Gerald Patrick Sweetman b: 1902
..... 2 Hugh Sweetman b: 1903
..... 2 Charles Emil Sweetman b: 1906 d: 1978

Re: Walter Sweetman and Sophia Sandgathe

kiltye (View posts)
Posted: 8 Oct 2002 2:20AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 19 Oct 2002 5:22PM GMT
the notice lists 11 children...were there not 13 children? Margaret Felicia Sweetman Kilty was their 13th child..

Re: Walter Sweetman and Sophia Sandgathe

Gerry Mulligan (View posts)
Posted: 8 Oct 2002 11:18PM GMT
Classification: Query
That is quite possible. Those 11 sibs were the only information I had on this line of the Sandgathe descendants. I would love to get in touch with you if you have more information.

Re: Walter Sweetman and Sophia Sandgathe

Ann Jaede (View posts)
Posted: 14 Dec 2002 3:31AM GMT
Classification: Query
My grandfather was Hugh Sweetman. Walter and Sophie were his parents. My sister has a Sweetman family tree. What information are you looking for? Are you related to the Sweetmans?

Re: Walter Sweetman and Sophia Sandgathe

mulligag1 (View posts)
Posted: 15 Dec 2002 4:56AM GMT
Classification: Query
Walter Sweetman married Sophia Sandgathe. She was the sister of my great grandfather Johann Franz Hugo (Hugo) Sandgathe. My grandparents were Hugo’s daughter, Beth Sandgathe, and Phil Gervais. Phil and Beth Gervais’ farm was next door to a Sweetman farm, just east of Currie on Hwy 30.

I am trying to fill in the descendants of Franz Nicholas Sandgathe and Catharina Haferkamp. Those individuals were the parents to Hugo and Sophia. They had eight children total. I have the descendants of most of those siblings.

Sophia was the only Sandgathe sib to remain in the Currie area. The Sandgathe name is now centered in Oregon (Hugo) and Canada (the other sibs). I have very little information on the Sweetman line from Walter and Sophia and I would like to fill it in. Several others in the Sandgathe line who are doing genealogy work would also be interested in this information. What little information I have is below. I have a fair amount of Sandgathe information including partial ancestors for an additional six generations back from Sophia.

The Sandgathe’s came from Borbeck, Westphalia, Prussia (Germany). This was a small community just outside and on the northwest side of Essen. It is now just a neighborhood in Essen. Sophia was evidently born in Gelsenkirchen, Westphalia, Prussia. This community is close to Borbeck and just northeast of Essen. If you search Expedia.com, it will place both on a map. Also, there are some nice period maps (1880’s) available. The Atlas des Deutschen Reichs by Ludwig Ravenstein 1883 is richly detailed (and shows Borbeck). It is available on-line from the Memorial Library at the University of Wisconsin-Madison http://www.library.wisc.edu/etext/ravenstein.

I have many of the descendents from the Sandgathe line (with some holes). It is an unusual last name; so far, it appears that most with that name are related.

Franz Nicholas Sandgathe (Hugo and Sophia’s father) was a captain in the Uhlan Calvary of the Prussian Army. He fought in the Franco-Prussian War. They came to America to keep their son out of the army and poor economic conditions in Germany. Katharina (Hugo and Sophia's mother) was tired of the men in the family dying in war, and encouraged him to start a new life in the west. In Germany, they were well off enough to have maids etc. They emigrated via New York with family in 1882, and settled in Currie, MN.

Franz Nicholas Sandgathe died in Salt Lake City, UT in 1889. We do not know what he was doing there when he died.

In 1900 or 1901 Hugo and Sophia's brother Felix, with their sister Paula and her husband William Donnelly, moved to Granum, Alberta. Another brother, Francis Nicholas Sandgathe followed shortly after. In 1902 Katharina arrived with Emil. Katharina died in 1916 from pneumonia after returning from a trip visiting Hugo in Oregon. Hugo arrived in Canada in 1909 to operate two steam-powered threshing machines. Hugo left Granum after the threshing was finished and went to Winnipeg. In 1910 he moved on, expecting to end up in California.

Hugo’s first wife, Eleanor Ewen, had died young (1906). Hugo left his daughter, Beth (age 9), with Eleanor’s sister, Anna Hoffman, to be raised. Hugo ended up in Oregon, married Anna Boller, and started another family. This is the source of the Oregon Sandgathe’s. The Canadian Sandgathe’s are from the rest of the family.

I have a family photo taken in 1874 in Germany with Hugo, Sophia, and Maria as young children. The first child, Elizabeth Lucia, had died prior to 1874. There are separate photos of Franz Nicholas Sandgathe in his Prussian army uniform and Katharina later in life.


Children of Franz Nicholas Sandgathe and Catharina Haferkamp. This list is the 2nd generation only. I have information through the 6-7th generations in some cases if interested.

1 Franz Nicholas Sandgathe b: August 28, 1843 in Borbeck, Westphalia, Prussia d: 1889 in Salt Lake City, UT
.. +Catharina Haferkamp b: 1846 in Borbeck, Westphalia, Prussia d: January 20, 1916 in Granum, Alberta m: June 04, 1867 in Borbeck, Westphalia, Prussia
..... 2 Elizabeth Lucia Sandgathe b: September 10, 1868 in Borbeck, Westphalia, Prussia d: Bef. 1874 in Borbeck, Westphalia, Prussia
..... 2 Johann Franz Hugo Sandgathe b: October 22, 1869 in Borbeck, Westphalia, Prussia d: April 23, 1929 in Springfield, OR
......... +Eleanor Ewen b: June 02, 1871 in Gau Algesheim, Hessen, Prussia d: August 14, 1906 in Currie, MN m: November 05, 1895 in Currie, MN
..... *2nd Wife of Johann Franz Hugo Sandgathe:
......... +Anna Marie Boller b: October 13, 1882 in Springfield, OR d: July 16, 1969 in Springfield, OR m: 1914 in Springfield, OR
..... 2 Sophia Sandgathe b: 1871 in Gelsenkirchen, Westphalia, Prussia d: 1956 in St Paul, MN
......... +Walter Sweetman m: 1888
..... 2 Maria Regina Sandgathe b: February 17, 1874 in Borbeck, Westphalia, Prussia d: 1956 in Oakland, CA
......... +Michael McSherry
..... 2 Paula Sandgathe b: 1876 in Borbeck, Westphalia, Prussia d: 1964 in McMinnville, OR
......... +William Donnelly
..... 2 Felix Jacob Sandgathe b: December 01, 1879 in Borbeck, Westphalia, Prussia d: March 20, 1940
......... +Susette Doris Grier b: October 15, 1882 in Fort MacLeod, Alberta d: December 10, 1964 m: Abt. 1904
..... 2 Emil Anthony Sandgathe b: January 27, 1884 in Currie, MN d: March 16, 1978 in Calgary, Alberta
......... +Ruth Foster b: November 30, 1882 in Nova Scotia d: January 01, 1974 in Calgary, Alberta m: February 18, 1908 in Eugene, OR
..... 2 Francis Nicholas Sandgathe b: May 26, 1886 in Currie, MN d: July 12, 1942 in Calgary, Alberta, Canada
......... +Mary Bernice Boyle b: September 25, 1885 in Hopewell, New Brunswick d: January 29, 1978 in Calgary, Alberta m: October 11, 1909 in Blairemore, Alberta


Descendants of Sophia Sandgathe and Walter Sweetman
This is the only information I have on the descendants of this family

1 Sophia Sandgathe b: 1871 in Gelsenkirchen, Westphalia, Prussia d: 1956 in St Paul, MN
.. +Walter Sweetman m: 1888
..... 2 Walter Francis Sweetman b: 1888 d: 1963
..... 2 Elizabeth Mary Sweetman b: 1890 d: 1971
..... 2 Helen Margaret Sweetman b: 1891
..... 2 Frances Sophie Sweetman b: 1893 d: 1914
..... 2 Gertrude Sweetman b: 1894
..... 2 Catherine Eleanore Sweetman b: 1896 d: 1984
......... +Serenus Rodick
..... 2 Richard Sebastin Sweetman b: 1899
..... 2 Mary Alice Sweetman b: 1900 d: 1982
..... 2 Gerald Patrick Sweetman b: 1902 d: 1918
..... 2 Hugh Sweetman b: 1903 d: 1984
..... 2 Charles Emil Sweetman b: 1906 d: 1978
......... +???
............. 3 Walter Sweetman
................. +Pat ???
............. 3 Lucia Sweetman
................. +Nawzad Oyhman
..... 2 John Sweetman b: 1905 in Sioux Falls, SD
......... +Maxine ???
............. 3 Elizabeth Sweetman
............. 3 Helen Sweetman
............. 3 Patty Sweetman
............. 3 ??? Sweetman
..... 2 Margaret Felicity Sweetman b: 1908 d: 1968
......... +John Kilty
..... 2 ??? Sweetman

Re: Walter Sweetman and Sophia Sandgathe

Richard C. Sweetman (View posts)
Posted: 15 Dec 2002 11:55AM GMT
Classification: Query
You are correct - 13 children, Margaret being the youngest, married to Jack Kilty. 2 sons, John and Kevin. Where are they now? I am son of Richard S.

Re: Walter Sweetman and Sophia Sandgathe

Susan Kilty (View posts)
Posted: 21 Apr 2003 1:34AM GMT
Classification: Query
I am the grandaughter of Margaret Felicia Sweetman Kilty. My father is Kevin Richard Kilty the son of Margaret and John (Jack) Kilty of Stillwater, MN. I live in Indianapolis, IN and would love to correspond and learn more about the Sweetman family. I am a graduate of Saint Mary's College, Notre Dame, IN and recently became aware of the Sweetman rare book collection at the Hesburgh Library. I have not yet viewed the collection but I plan to and am especially interested in the my great great grandfather's writing.

Re: Walter Sweetman and Sophia Sandgathe

alowemn (View posts)
Posted: 2 Oct 2003 4:16AM GMT
Classification: Query
Are you still looking for information about Walter Sweetman and Sophie Sandgathe's family from Currie, Minnesota and St. Paul, Minnesota?

I am a great granddaughter of Walter and Sophie's. Their first son, Walter Francis Sweetman (1889 -- 1963) was my grandfather.

Walter Francis Sweetman married Glenna Jensen (who died in 1953) and they had five children: Frances, John, Mary, Glenna, and Marcia, my mother. Walter Francis Sweetman, my grandfather, and his family lived in Currie. Walter and Glenna Sweetman are buried in Currie. John Sweetman's kids (my cousins) still live in and around Currie, as does John's widow, Kathleen. Glenna (Sweetman) Miller lives in nearby Slayton.

Walter and Sophie Sweetman, my great grandparents, lived in Currie and then later moved to St. Paul and lived in a big house on the corner of Ashland and Chatsworth. Their house is now a bed and breakfast. Walter (1863-1928) and Sophie Sweetman (1871-1956) are buried at Calvary Cemetary in St. Paul along with 7 of their children: Elizabeth (1890-1971) Helen (1891-1991), Frances (1892-1914), Gertrude (1894-1965), Catherine (Sweetman) Rodick (1896-1984), Mary (1900-1982), and Gerald (1902-1918).

My great aunts Elizabeth (Lil), Helen, and Mary never married and lived in St. Paul. We would visit them often when we were kids, and though Great Aunt Lil died when I was only about 8, I still remember her. Great Aunts Mary and Helen lived quite a while longer and I got to know them better. I visited Helen often until her death 12 years ago, when she was 99 years old.

I have some more information about the other siblings (children of Walter and Sophie) if you are interested.

I would be interested in the picture you have of Sophie Sandgathe with her siblings in Germany. Is there any way to get a photocopy of it through the mail or a scanned copy on-line?

The Walter Francis Sweetman descendants are going to have a reunion in Currie, Minnesota in the summer of 2004. Thanks for all the information you posted on Sophie Sandgathe; I can share it at the reunion. I knew she was from Germany, but I didn't know where exactly.

Your 4th (?) cousin from St. Paul, Minnesota,
Anne

Re: Walter Sweetman and Sophia Sandgathe

darlene (View posts)
Posted: 17 Dec 2004 8:32PM GMT
Classification: Query
My grandmother was called Gertrude Sweetman, she married John Daley. I never knew her but she was my dad’s mother and his family are originally from Ireland. She lived in Bacup Lancashire - England. Could this be the same Gertrude Sweetman from your list?

Re: Walter Sweetman and Sophia Sandgathe

mulligag1 (View posts)
Posted: 18 Dec 2004 4:05AM GMT
Classification: Query
This should not be the same individual. This Gertrude Sweetman was born in Currie, Minnesota, USA and died in St Paul, Minnesota, USA (1965). She never married or had children.
Sorry.
--Gerry
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